penny ladnier [16,0]CSuX: wearing white Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:47:42 -0400 I'm with you Ron... Virginians are very traditional. We suck up every bit of history we can and hang on to it. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume maggie secara [30,1]CSuX: portrait at auction Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction From: "Maggie Secara" Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:55:18 -0700 Oh god, Margo, we really ARE the same person! I had the exact thought! MaggiRos >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portrait at auction >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:32:35 -0700 > >You know, I jsut checked the estimated price on this painting. I did NOT >need to know that I could own an original Gheerharts for $2-3000. Ten >times that would be impossible, but $2-3000 has me thinking..."if I just >start making costumes for money again---and pack lunches, and drive the old >clunker car for another year....." > >Oh, dear, I'm in trouble now. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume lee thompson-herbert [40,2]CSuX: costume photos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Robin Netherton wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > Aren't the classes usually "Novice", "Journeyman" and "Master" for > > costume competitions? > > I've heard that one only in the SCA. I haven't seen many non-SCA costume > competitions, so perhaps it's used elsewhere; I wouldn't know. No, the normal classes at the major sci-fi cons are indeed Novice, Journeyman, and Master. There's a set number of wins that move you up from each class. Problem is, BayCon is no longer considered one of the "major" cons, partially because they've loosened the rules both for participation and for the classes. When it was still a major competition, I won a technical award for the mars enviornment suit that my husband and I built. I was the only person backstage who _didn't_ complain about how hot it was, because I'd built a liquid-cooled garment into the suit. That was the only "real" competition I've entered. Last year, I won best in class for Novice with my hall costume. The Lady Luck costume was a good example of what you can do when your sewing machine is broken. All the applique was done with double-faced iron-on interfacing, edged with fabric paint and glitter. All the rhinestones were glued on. The only really impressive parts of the costume (in my opinion) were the headpiece (I made a wirework crown and covered it with cut crystal beads by hand, then did a four-layer veil) and the sceptor (I built it using an antique glass doorknob as the topper and painted the shaft with the four card suits). It was a _great_ hall costume. It probably wouldn't have even placed as a masquerade costume at one of the major competitions. I _am_ tempted to take the Jedi Librarian idea and run with it... Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [16,3]CSuX: buttoning direction Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 02:16:00 -0400 Oh, I believe there is evidence out there... we just haven't found it yet! I am looking for cold hard evidence. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kay shelton [14,4]CSuX: flat felt seam question Subject: [h-cost] Flat felt seam question From: Kay Shelton Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 05:53:23 -0700 (PDT) I'm making some 17th century Renaissance costumes for a stage combat troop and I'd like to flat fell the seams. Does anyone know if this is period? I was thinking flat fell because 1) I think it's sturdy, 2) I have to finish the seams somehow, and 3) I bought this foot for my Bernina. Appreciate any advice - Thanks! Kay Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume judy mitchell [17,5]CSuX: costume photos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos From: Judy Mitchell Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 10:39:47 -0400 Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > No, the normal classes at the major sci-fi cons are indeed Novice, > Journeyman, and Master. There's a set number of wins that move you up > from each class. Perhaps Baycon might want to do what our local Darkover Con does. It only has two levels: Novice and Experienced. The regional and larger conventions usually follow the standard Novice-Journeyman-Master bit. -Judy Mitchell h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ldemas [9,6]CSuX: buttoning direction Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction From: ldemas Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 08:03:39 -0700 One theory I heard: The overlap was uniform for men and women when women's bodices had back closures. When the closures for women were moved to the front they were simply rotating resulting in a different overlap. h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume genie [10,7]CSuX: costume photos/levels Subject: [h-cost] Costume Photos/levels From: "Genie" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:57:12 -0500 The ICG uses "novice", "journeyman", "master". Check out their website http://www.costume.org/, where I think you can find details if anyone's interested. Genie h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume carolyn kayta barrows [21,8]CSuX: costume photos/levels Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Photos/levels From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:11:06 -0700 You and I know that, but BayCon doesn't. I compete at the Master level in F/SF and Historical, and have judged in both. I am also a founding member of the GBACG (San Francisco Bay Area). >The ICG uses "novice", "journeyman", "master". Check out their website >http://www.costume.org/, where I think you can find details if anyone's >interested. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume emma elizabeth lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu>[23,9]CSuX: buttoning direction Subject: RE: [h-cost] buttoning direction From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:37:04 -0500 (CDT) > For a woman, who would be most apt to be holding a baby in > her left arm, it would be the most convenient to reach > across and unfasten something with her right hand and pull > it open, whether it be pinned, hooked, or buttoned, > especially when it comes to nursing a baby. This is the perfect lead-in to something I've been wondering about: Do those of you who wear left- and right-buttoned shirts have any preference? Is it really any easier to do one over the other with your dominant (or free) hand? Yes, it is confusing if you're accustomed to one and suddenly have to deal with the other, but that's just a question of habit. Does handedness really matter? Emma h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume azelana@aol.com[20,10]CSuX: trading spaces Subject: [h-cost] Re: Trading Spaces From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:32:05 EDT << My favorite room so far is this one: http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/tradingspaces/beforeandafter/beforeandafte r_4.html# scroll down towards the bottom and click on: "North Carolina: Southerby Drive" and then on "Doug's Room">> Ooh, that IS nice! Now you're gonna have me watching that show... <> I think it is if the room will be a background for a historical costume event or portrait, hehe. --Gillian h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume elizabeth lear [31,11]CSuX: hat help Subject: [h-cost] hat help From: Elizabeth Lear Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:54:42 -0600 I'm making a Chinese fu tou (http://indra.com/~eliz/SCA/futou.jpg) I've made a wire frame, and now I'm trying to figure out the best way to go. I could stretch gauze over the frame, and shellac it, but I think the fabric would be loose, and I really need more than a wire frame for this. I could try stretching buckram over the frame, but it would probably bend the frame with the force of stretching. I could papier mache over the frame and paint it black (or cover it with fabric) then remove the frame, but the hat would be a bit delicate in the rain. I could papier mache over the frame and fill the mold with something that would solidify to make a sturdy hat block, then use the buckram and mold it on the sturdy block. But what to fill it with? Other suggestions I haven't thought of? I have one week - the hat has to be wearable on Saturday, June 8. Help?!? ...eliz h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume claire clarke [29,12]CSuX: buttoning direction Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction From: Claire Clarke Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:20:53 -0700 Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > For a woman, who would be most apt to be holding a baby in > > her left arm, it would be the most convenient to reach > > across and unfasten something with her right hand and pull > > it open, whether it be pinned, hooked, or buttoned, > > especially when it comes to nursing a baby. > > This is the perfect lead-in to something I've been wondering about: Do > those of you who wear left- and right-buttoned shirts have any preference? > Is it really any easier to do one over the other with your dominant (or > free) hand? Yes, it is confusing if you're accustomed to one and suddenly > have to deal with the other, but that's just a question of habit. > > Does handedness really matter? > I wear men's and women's shirts and I don't consciously notice the difference. But then, I'm generally using both hands to unbutton. Claire h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume elizabeth hanes perry [26,13]CSuX: wearing white Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White From: Elizabeth Hanes Perry Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:35:23 -0700 At 02:22 PM 5/31/2002 -0400, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: >On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > You'll have to explain this for the benefit of non-Americans, Penny. I > know from news bulletins that your Memorial Day happened recently (in > Britain we remember the war dead on Nov. 11th) but when is Labor Day and > why may you not wear white between them? > >One can wear white shoes between Memorial Day (last Monday in May) and >Labor Day (first Monday in September), i.e. for summer, but not between >Labor Day and Memorial Day (i.e., fall, winter and spring), except for >Easter. I always heard this applied to shoes, not to clothing in general. That's the way I always heard it, but with an exemption for brides and babies. This shows up fairly often in pop culture -- the climax of "Serial Mom" had Kathleen Turner disposing of Patty Hearst for wearing white shoes after Labor Day. Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. - G. Keillor Betsy Hanes Perry betsy.perry@oracle.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume mzscahlett@aol.com[42,14]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: MzScahlett@AOL.COM Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:07:30 EDT --part1_b2.c5f9528.2a2bb8e2_boundary Eliz Have you tried one of the plastic laced buckrams like Thermoplastic or Wonderflex? They are a buckram like weave sprayed or immersed (don't know the process) with a form of heat activated plastic. They will shape perfectly with heat (use an embossing heat tool, they're only about $20- it's like a super hot blow dryer) and are rain proof, since the primary ingredient is plastic. You can cover it with fabric any way you like, sewing, glue whatever. It's very cool stuff. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "The naked truth of it is, I have no shirt." Love's Labours Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare --part1_b2.c5f9528.2a2bb8e2_boundary Eliz

Have you tried one of the plastic laced buckrams like Thermoplastic or Wonderflex? They are a buckram like weave sprayed or immersed (don't know the process) with a form of heat activated plastic. They will shape perfectly with heat (use an embossing heat tool, they're only about $20- it's like  a super hot blow dryer) and are rain proof, since the primary ingredient is plastic.  You can cover it with fabric any way you like, sewing, glue whatever.  It's very cool stuff.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
Theatrical Costume Design

"The naked truth of it is, I have no shirt."
Love's Labours Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare
 --part1_b2.c5f9528.2a2bb8e2_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume sheila [30,15]CSuX: interlining a doublet Subject: [h-cost] Re: interlining a doublet From: Sheila Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT) I don't suppose you have a diagram/handout/phots of exactly how to do this? Kinda step by step? I've read about it but have been having a hard time visualizing exactly how it goes. Thanks! Sheila >> Re: interlining a doublet >>The second, if the outer of the doublet is of woollen >>fabric, the interlining should be pad stitched >>in.  Pad stitching is a tailoring >>technique.  You work up and down the piece, >>before making up, holding it over your left >>hand.  You make a horizontal stitch, catching as >>little as possible of the outer fabric (no more than >>a single thread is needed), and then move down to do >>the next stitch, so you end up with no stitching >>visible on the right side, but columns of long >>diagonal stitches on the wrong side. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume lee thompson-herbert [22,16]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 22:57:47 -0700 (PDT) [making a fu tou, http://indra.com/~eliz/SCA/futou.jpg] It might just be a combination of the scan and my monitor, but that hat looks like it's made of leather to me. Or felt that's been well wetted and slicked down. I think the idea of making a mold then using it to shape the buckram and/or felt would be the best idea. You can buy casting plaster at most art stores. For that matter, you could probably get away with filling the paper mache form with something like Crayola Model Magic which has the advantage of coming in a big tub, no mixing required. It cures to a spongy texture, but would be sturdy enough to use as a block. It's also waterproof when cured, which puts it ahead of something like paper clay. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume maggie secara [48,17]CSuX: (margospatterns) costume photos Subject: [h-cost] RE: [margospatterns] Costume Photos From: "Maggie Secara" Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 23:04:22 -0700 Oh WOW!! That's fabulous, Stephen! I have to admit I'm dying to see the gree/silver trim closer up, and whatever that green sleeve/undertunic fabric is too. But even without details, I can tell this is amazing. Northern Faire will be all a twitter! MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Bergdahl [mailto:madly@2xtreme.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:00 PM > To: Authentic_SCA@yahoogroups.com; Clan_of_Garb_Keepe@yahoogroups.com; > DanegeldTor@yahoogroups.com; f-costume@indra.com; GSACG@yahoogroups.com; > h-costume@indra.com; ICG-D@yahoogroups.com; > margospatterns@yahoogroups.com; SCA-GARB@LIST.UVM.EDU > Subject: [margospatterns] Costume Photos > > > Hello > > Over the weekend I won two awards at BayCon 2002 a SF Convention in San > Jose. You can see the winning costume at: > > http://www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costume101/Green_Man.htm > > Lord Vich (Stephen Bergdahl) > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Stock for $4 > and no minimums. > FREE Money 2002. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/xX1wlB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > margospatterns-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume elizabeth lear [16,18]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: Elizabeth Lear Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 09:10:23 -0600 On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 10:57:47PM -0700, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > [making a fu tou, http://indra.com/~eliz/SCA/futou.jpg] > > It might just be a combination of the scan and my monitor, but that hat > looks like it's made of leather to me. Or felt that's been well wetted > and slicked down. The source says it's black gauze with shellac. I think they probably made them over a wood block or some other mold, so I think your ideas are good. Thanks! ...eliz h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume betsy marshall [26,19]CSuX: hat help Subject: [h-cost] hat help From: "Betsy Marshall" Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:47:40 -0500 For that shape, this may not be helpful, but when buckram just isn't enough, I like to use the plastic "canvas" from the craft store- I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is that stuff to be found? (my $.02) Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lear I'm making a Chinese fu tou (http://indra.com/~eliz/SCA/futou.jpg) snippage Other suggestions I haven't thought of? I have one week - the hat has to be wearable on Saturday, June 8. Help?!? ...eliz h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume carolyn kayta barrows [30,20]CSuX: flat felt seam question Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat felt seam question From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:41:50 -0700 >I'm making some 17th century Renaissance costumes for >a stage combat troop and I'd like to flat fell the >seams. Does anyone know if this is period? Not according to the originals pictured in Janet Arnold. OTOH, do it anyway. Ripped out seams may be period, but they're bad theatre. My best and most authentic Ren. Faire outfit has a little pocket sewn inside for my gate pass, car keys, and lunch money. That's not period either, but neither is showing up at the event in a car in the first place. >I was >thinking flat fell because 1) I think it's sturdy, 2) >I have to finish the seams somehow, and 3) I bought >this foot for my Bernina. Appreciate any advice - >Thanks! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume carolyn kayta barrows [23,21]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:46:14 -0700 >Have you tried one of the plastic laced buckrams like Thermoplastic or >Wonderflex? They are a buckram like weave sprayed or immersed (don't know >the process) with a form of heat activated plastic. They will shape >perfectly with heat (use an embossing heat tool, they're only about $20- >it's like a super hot blow dryer) and are rain proof, since the primary >ingredient is plastic. You can cover it with fabric any way you like, >sewing, glue whatever. It's very cool stuff.\ You could use plastic needlepoint canvas instead. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume albertcat@aol.com[26,22]CSuX: flat felt seam question Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat felt seam question From: AlbertCat@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:58:28 EDT --part1_1ac.32835e4.2a2c2744_boundary In a message dated 6/2/2002 4:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > OTOH, do it > anyway. Ripped out seams may be period, but they're bad theatre. Amen. Besides, haven't I seen French seams stab stitched down flat on period garments somewhere? --part1_1ac.32835e4.2a2c2744_boundary In a message dated 6/2/2002 4:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes:


OTOH, do it
anyway.  Ripped out seams may be period, but they're bad theatre.  


Amen. Besides, haven't I seen French seams stab stitched down flat on period garments somewhere? --part1_1ac.32835e4.2a2c2744_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[37,23]CSuX: wearing white Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing White From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:54:19 -0700 > Being a Northwesterner (Oregon), I don't think we really care out > here. White's just cooler in the summer, that's all. Where I live, > open-toed Birkies are popular all year long--the difference is wool > socks, cotton socks, or no socks! > > I think it's more of a Northeastern thing. > Arlys (clothes are for wearing, not for > stressing over) Actually, it's alive and well in the NW too, Arlys! Believe me, in the upper and upper-middle classes who are involved in the fashionable world (as opposed to Joe-Blow middle class or below), the no white shoes before Easter or after Labor Day is still alive and well. Although I come from lower middle class, I went to "charm school" and did modeling (with those who were definitely "higher class" than I). It was definitely drilled into my brain. I ran into it as recently as 2 years ago in the Portland/Vancouver area. As to the trend away from this, I do believe that we are much less constrained by culture to conform to "fashion rules" than our forebearers. And the trend will continue faster now that they have that TV commercial where they talk about how it used to be "no white shoes" in the winter, but that it is changing. (Media makes trends change more rapidly because of the more rapid dissemination of information.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[21,24]CSuX: flat felt seam question Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat felt seam question From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:57:33 -0700 > > OTOH, do it > > anyway. Ripped out seams may be period, but they're bad theatre. > > Amen. Besides, haven't I seen French seams stab stitched down flat on > period garments somewhere? Yep. I don't have the references handy but I know you can find them in either the York digs, the MOL books or the like. Just have to look for them in more than one place. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [21,25]CSuX: class reminder Subject: [h-cost] Class Reminder From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:12:16 -0400 A reminder that JP Ryan's online class "Making a Late 18th Century Wardrobe: Pet-en-l'air or Robe à la Française" begins today at the Costume Classroom. We will be accepting new students until Sunday, June 9th. You do need to have a pair of stays to take this class. Bjarne is developing a class on how to embellish this costume. Hopefully we will have this class before the end of the year. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume heather meadows [33,26]CSuX: interlining a doublet Subject: Re: [h-cost] interlining a doublet From: Heather Meadows Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) I would recommend a tailoring technique, if you want to get it to stay in place -- if you aren't catching the interlining in the seams, it's likely to bag in the center. along the seam edge, where you have cut the underlining shorter, I would catchstitch it down the length of the seam. then I would recommend taking some long pad stitches (1.5 inches or so) down the center, say 3-5 rows, to prevent it from bagging. Heather Meadows > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:51:30AM +0100, Rachel wrote: > > My question is how do I sew the interlining in without > > having to add it to the seams? > > I would cut the interlining to the size of the lining piece without > the seam allowances, then mount the interlining on the lining. > Mounting is generally done by tacking the two fabrics together at > regular intervals. You could also sew along the interlining edges - > it wouldn't be too noticeable when looking at the lining because the > stitches would be near the seams. > > Then sew the lining and fabric together, and the interlining should > butt the seams but not be in them. > > ...eliz > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume audrey bergeron-morin [21,27]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:08:39 +0000 Hi, I've been wondering, since gloves and hats are very rarely worn these days (I mean, not the ones to keep warm, the ones to look nice), when should they be kept on and when should we take them off? I've always found it weird that you kept your hat on at church... Do you have to take it off the moment you walk into a house? I know it's that way for men, but for women? And what about gloves? I guess you take them off when you eat? Thanks Audrey h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[35,28]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 10:06:40 -0700 > I've always found it weird that you kept your hat on at church... Do > you have to take it off the moment you walk into a house? I know it's > that way for men, but for women? Men and women wore hats for different reasons originally. Men wore them for protection from the elements, so it was polite to take them off as a show of respect (tipping your hat as you talked to someone, entering a home, going to church). Women wore hats as a sign of respect to God that their head (actually hair) was covered. (Women's hair was a "sign of vanity" and a "crown of glory.".) So, women would have been disrespectful if they *didn't* wear their hats when visiting or going to church. (It's also why women had their heads shaved when entering the cloister as a nun, why women had their heads shorn before execution, etc.) That's why in some cultures today (such as the Amish and Mennonite) women of a responsible age wear hats. It's also why women who were either married or no longer of a marriageable age "put on caps" or were expect to have a veil over their heads at all times. (They were expected to be "of responsible age.") Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume mzscahlett@aol.com[51,29]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: MzScahlett@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 13:12:29 EDT --part1_47.1dd33ef9.2a2cfd7d_boundary In a message dated 6/2/2002 12:50:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes: > I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is that stuff to be found? > (my $.02) Betsy Wonderflex can be purchased in sheets from Richard the Thread (don't have number handy?) or Dazian 1-877-432-9426. I can find out about thermoplastic if anyone wishes. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." W. Shakespeare --part1_47.1dd33ef9.2a2cfd7d_boundary In a message dated 6/2/2002 12:50:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes:


I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is that stuff to be found?
(my $.02) Betsy


Wonderflex can be purchased in sheets from Richard the Thread (don't have number handy?) or Dazian 1-877-432-9426.  I can find out about thermoplastic if anyone wishes.

angela
+++++
Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"If we shadows have offended, think but this,
and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here,
while these visions did appear."
W. Shakespeare --part1_47.1dd33ef9.2a2cfd7d_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume audrey bergeron-morin [25,30]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:39:43 +0000 >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >Men and women wore hats for different reasons originally. Men >wore them for protection from the elements, so it was polite to take >them off as a show of respect (tipping your hat as you talked to >someone, entering a home, going to church). > >Women wore hats as a sign of respect to God that their head >(actually hair) was covered. (Women's hair was a "sign of vanity" >and a "crown of glory.".) So, women would have been disrespectful >if they *didn't* wear their hats when visiting or going to church. So that means a woman should always keep her hat on, even when entering a house or sitting at table to eat? And... where did they put all those hats when they took them off? http://www.hotmail.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume mzscahlett@aol.com[77,31]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: MzScahlett@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:03:43 EDT --part1_188.8b955fd.2a2d097f_boundary In a message dated 6/2/2002 1:49:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > >Have you tried one of the plastic laced buckrams like Thermoplastic or > >Wonderflex? They are a buckram like weave sprayed or immersed (don't know > >the process) with a form of heat activated plastic. They will shape > >perfectly with heat (use an embossing heat tool, they're only about $20- > >it's like a super hot blow dryer) and are rain proof, since the primary > >ingredient is plastic. You can cover it with fabric any way you like, > >sewing, glue whatever. It's very cool stuff.\ > > You could use plastic needlepoint canvas instead. > > Kayta It would not work for the application I suggested though. Plastic needlepoint canvas would simply melt into a puddle. Wonderflex/Thermoplastic is a buckram with the fibres coated with a form of Friendly Plastic. FP is specially designed to melt at a specific temperature and remain hard once high heats are removed. It's hard to describe without having worked with it, but it is very moldable. It has the benefit of being re-moldable too, meaning that if you don't get the perfect shape you just heat it and rework it into what you want. I think it's about $37.00 a sheet (about 45" X 45"). If you want a rounded clean finished shape, this (or felt or leather) would be the way to go, IMHO. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." W. Shakespeare --part1_188.8b955fd.2a2d097f_boundary In a message dated 6/2/2002 1:49:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayta@frys.com writes:


>Have you tried one of the plastic laced buckrams like Thermoplastic or
>Wonderflex? They are a buckram like weave sprayed or immersed (don't know
>the process) with a form of heat activated plastic. They will shape
>perfectly with heat (use an embossing heat tool, they're only about $20-
>it's like  a super hot blow dryer) and are rain proof, since the primary
>ingredient is plastic.  You can cover it with fabric any way you like,
>sewing, glue whatever.  It's very cool stuff.\

You could use plastic needlepoint canvas instead.

Kayta


It would not work for the application I suggested though.  Plastic needlepoint canvas  would simply melt into a puddle. Wonderflex/Thermoplastic is a buckram with the fibres coated with a form of Friendly Plastic.  FP is specially designed to melt at a specific temperature and remain hard once high heats are removed.  It's hard to describe without having worked with it, but it is very moldable.  It has the benefit of being re-moldable too, meaning that if you don't get the perfect shape you just heat it and rework it into what you want. I think it's about $37.00 a sheet (about 45" X 45"). 
If you want a rounded clean finished shape, this (or felt or leather) would be the way to go, IMHO.

angela
+++++
Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"If we shadows have offended, think but this,
and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here,
while these visions did appear."
W. Shakespeare --part1_188.8b955fd.2a2d097f_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume annbwass@aol.com[16,32]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: AnnBWass@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:27:55 EDT Women would leave hats on at all times, except at home. In church, at lunch in a restaurant or at someone else's home, etc. But, to update the etiquette, Miss Manners says that, if girls are wearing hats like boys (for example, a ball cap at school), they are to take them off inside just as boys are supposed to. Both men and women remove gloves to eat. You can probably find all the details in an older etiquette book, like Emily Post. I think Miss Manners addresses such questions in her books, too. Ann Wass h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume carolyn kayta barrows [22,33]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:38:07 -0700 >Women wore hats as a sign of respect to God that their head >(actually hair) was covered. (Women's hair was a "sign of vanity" >and a "crown of glory.".) So, women would have been disrespectful >if they *didn't* wear their hats when visiting or going to church. Some sects of the Moslem religion take this to extremes. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume jessica stier [15,34]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gloves and hat etiquette From: "jessica stier" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:05:23 +0000 > >And... where did they put all those hats when they took them off? > Isn't this why coat and hat racks where invented? I don't know when this invention was formally introduced or if it coincides with your period, but I would think that a rack or hooks inside a house or building would be used. :) jessica h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [15,35]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:07:28 -0400 Catholic women do not remove their hat. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume lalahtt@aol.com[34,36]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: LalahTT@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:08:36 EDT --part1_157.ec50c60.2a2d26c4_boundary There is a ton of information in old ettiquete books on the wearing of gloves and hats, but a lady would be pretty safe in wearing the hat anywhere you want to. Ladies do not have to take their's off inside (or outside either for that matter). They didn't usually wear them at home unless they were entertaining at a formal tea or some such. Wear the gloves most of the time except when at home, shaking hands, or eating. At least that is the way we did it in my youth when people actually dressed up to go to town. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_157.ec50c60.2a2d26c4_boundary    There is a ton of information in old ettiquete books on the wearing of gloves and hats, but a lady would be pretty safe in wearing the hat anywhere you want to.  Ladies do not have to take their's off inside (or outside either for that matter).  They didn't usually wear them at home unless they were entertaining at a formal tea or some such.  Wear the gloves most of the time except when at home, shaking hands, or eating.  At least that is the way we did it in my youth when people actually dressed up to go to town.

Lalah
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--part1_157.ec50c60.2a2d26c4_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume audrey bergeron-morin [44,37]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:11:25 -0400 My costume history professor said that women in the 30s onward take their hats off when entering a home. Shopping in a store and eating lunch you keep it on. Dinner you take it off. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- > >From: kat@grendal.rain.com > > >Men and women wore hats for different reasons originally. Men > >wore them for protection from the elements, so it was polite to take > >them off as a show of respect (tipping your hat as you talked to > >someone, entering a home, going to church). > > > >Women wore hats as a sign of respect to God that their head > >(actually hair) was covered. (Women's hair was a "sign of vanity" > >and a "crown of glory.".) So, women would have been disrespectful > >if they *didn't* wear their hats when visiting or going to church. > > > > So that means a woman should always keep her hat on, even when entering a > house or sitting at table to eat? > > And... where did they put all those hats when they took them off? > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [21,38]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:18:06 -0400 Rule in my house... if one of my sons sits at the dinner table and does not take off their hat, I have a right to pop them in the head. Don't ask for them to remove... they will figure it out after being popped. We also have a rule that guys have to wear a shirt at the dinner table. Even if they just come in from swim team. If they don't wear a shirt... a riot starts by the others at the table. Its like everyone wants to attack the shirtless person. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume lalahtt@aol.com[32,39]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: LalahTT@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:39:08 EDT --part1_115.12636dea.2a2d2dec_boundary Don't know about costume history, but we never took our hats off to eat at a restaurant. We didn't take them off the minute we entered a house either unless it was our house and we were so glad to get the silly thing off. Just speaking from past experience. Don't even own a hat now except for a straw hat to use out in the sun. Too bad too, I loved hats. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_115.12636dea.2a2d2dec_boundary      Don't know about costume history, but we never took our hats off to eat at a restaurant.  We didn't take them off the minute we entered a house either unless it was our house and we were so glad to get the silly thing off.  Just speaking from past experience.  Don't even own a hat now except for a straw hat to use out in the sun.  Too bad too, I loved hats.

Lalah
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--part1_115.12636dea.2a2d2dec_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume maggie secara [49,40]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Maggie Secara" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:01:17 -0700 If you watch old movies (especially anything in black and white :) you'll see women never take off their hats when visiting for tea, or dining out or shopping. Dinner at someone's home seems to have been a non-hat affair for women. Where did men put their hats? In the 16th century, an Englishmen took his off with the reverence (bow) and held it in one hand for the duration of the conversation. This was apparently not the case elsewhere, because the Venetian ambassador saw fit to comment on it, as a mark of how polite the English were. MaggiRos >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:39:43 +0000 > >>From: kat@grendal.rain.com > >>Men and women wore hats for different reasons originally. Men >>wore them for protection from the elements, so it was polite to take >>them off as a show of respect (tipping your hat as you talked to >>someone, entering a home, going to church). >> >>Women wore hats as a sign of respect to God that their head >>(actually hair) was covered. (Women's hair was a "sign of vanity" >>and a "crown of glory.".) So, women would have been disrespectful >>if they *didn't* wear their hats when visiting or going to church. > > > >So that means a woman should always keep her hat on, even when entering a >house or sitting at table to eat? > >And... where did they put all those hats when they took them off? > >http://www.hotmail.com > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[30,41]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:21:56 -0700 > So that means a woman should always keep her hat on, even when > entering a house or sitting at table to eat? You would not take your hat off when entering a house. You would keep your hat on when taking tea with someone, but not in your own house. Elaborate hairstyles in some periods took the place of hats (such as Italian Rennaisance and later) for evening use. Earlier they wore them even when eating banquets. (Perhaps even at home for fancy dinners, depending on the time period.) > And... where did they put all those hats when they took them off? If you were a woman, you wouldn't really take them off except at home. Then they would go in their hatbox or on a peg. Men, on the other hand, handed them to a major domo or butler who would put them on a hall table or in a room off the hall, depending on the household. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[18,42]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:38:42 -0700 > My costume history professor said that women in the 30s onward take > their hats off when entering a home. Shopping in a store and eating > lunch you keep it on. Dinner you take it off. That probably really depends on where they live. In the 50s and even into the 60s in the NW US, the hats were left on when visiting. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[22,43]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:38:42 -0700 > Don't even own > a hat now except for a straw hat to use out in the sun. Too bad too, > I loved hats. No hats! How awful for you. I have a whole room filled with hats. I never leave the house without one. I have vintage hats, modern hats, period reconstruction hats. I *love* hats! (That's why some people have called me "Hat Kat" to distinguish me from all the other Kat's around.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume annbwass@aol.com[10,44]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: AnnBWass@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:48:01 EDT In a message dated 6/3/2002 4:12:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: << Dinner you take it off. >> I thought you wore charming little cocktail hats for this and left them on? Ann Wass h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume annbwass@aol.com[12,45]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: AnnBWass@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:51:26 EDT In a message dated 6/3/2002 6:35:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kat@grendal.rain.com writes: << some people have called me "Hat Kat" >> But not "Kat in the Hat"? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) I wear hats sometimes. I have a couple of lovely modern hats, a vintage one or two, and of course my early 19th century bonnets and turbans. Ann Wass h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [28,46]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:15:14 -0400 Maybe this is another one of those "Southern mannerisms." A quick way to get popped by a parent is to wear a hat or no shirt/dirty shirt at the table. I have seen parents popping kids for doing this in several films too. Mom's also like to SEE the kids' hands to make sure they are clean before they can eat. The common line is "Show me your hands." Another reason to get popped... dirty hands. Its called "Clean up for dinner." If you don't do it properly... you get popped. I warned you all that I am a Southern Belle. There are certain things we do a little different than the rest of the world. Mom's pop kids with her hand or a spoon. Dad's like to pop with newspapers... especially boys about the hats. (((wondering if the none Southern list members think we live in Gone with the Wind))) Remember that Ann the next time we eat together. There is a possibly you could get popped! LOL!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [17,47]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:18:26 -0400 I like to wear hats too... 99% modern... especially this time of the year. I do collect modern and vintage hat boxes. My best boxes at in stacks in my dining room for decoration. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume danielle nunn-weinberg [24,48]CSuX: class reminder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Class Reminder From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:10:26 -0500 Will there be another 18th c. stays class before the next version of this class is run? Cheers, Danielle At 04:12 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >A reminder that JP Ryan's online class "Making a Late 18th Century Wardrobe: >Pet-en-l'air or Robe à la Française" begins today at the Costume Classroom. >We will be accepting new students until Sunday, June 9th. You do need to >have a pair of stays to take this class. > >Bjarne is developing a class on how to embellish this costume. Hopefully we >will have this class before the end of the year. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume audrey bergeron-morin [46,49]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:16:36 -0500 I dearly miss hats and gloves. :( Ok, catholic kid here. At our catholic school part of the uniform were gloves that we had to make ourselves and these cute little sailor hats. We wore them to church and field trips only. We never ate outside the school so that was never an issue. One of my favorite period movies is The Age of Innocence (1993). There is a scene where the couples are eating, all the ladies are one side the men on the opposite side of the table. All the ladies have their gloves tucked into that little opening at the wrist of only one hand. I think they are eating soup. You can see the fingers of the gloves just peeking out of the opening. Sincerely, Franchesca Vecchio Havas McKinney, Texas `°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°` ----- Original Message ----- > Hi, > > I've been wondering, since gloves and hats are very rarely worn these days > (I mean, not the ones to keep warm, the ones to look nice), when should they > be kept on and when should we take them off? > > I've always found it weird that you kept your hat on at church... Do you > have to take it off the moment you walk into a house? I know it's that way > for men, but for women? > > And what about gloves? I guess you take them off when you eat? > > Thanks > > Audrey > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [20,50]CSuX: class reminder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Class Reminder From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:30:44 -0400 Danielle, Janice wants to re-run the series so people can have a sackback gown for the Halloween season if they wish. The stays class will begin Aug. 26 and is four weeks long. The sackback gown (Robe à la Française) will begin Sept. 24 and is five weeks long. These dates are on the schedule now for registration. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume emma elizabeth lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu>[14,51]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:40:40 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Catholic women do not remove their hat. What, *never*?!? Emma h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume cin [19,52]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: Cin Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) > > Catholic women do not remove their hat. > What, *never*?!? "Well, hardly ever" --Gilbert & Sullivan ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume straight [31,53]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: RE: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "STRAIGHT " Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:43:23 -0400 Depends on the hat and the time period, too. Those little clip-on ones of the 40's were quite a different affair from a big broad brimmed Gone-With-The-Wind job, or the kind that took half an hour to install. Ever see the old theatre slides ---"Ladies, please remove your hats"? They were of a big hat period. Sunbonnets, now, were something else entirely. I love all the different hat eras. And then, of course, there were the seasonal ones. The little wired clip-on ones were primarily for summer, or mild fall. In winter people wore something considerably heavier. Then, of course, there are the flapper headbands! Hmmm, is that a hat, or not? Yes, they did wear them for formal, my MIL was married in a lace one that held the veil. It does solve the "bad hair day" problem but immediately creates another one, just as bad or worse---- having the right hat for every outfit! And, of course, hat, shoes, belt, and gloves were supposed to match, or at least go together and go with the outfit. Diane S. ----with a closetful of hats I never wear h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kala jathos [24,54]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: "Kala Jathos" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:40:21 -0700 Well, it's summertime, and my professor in costume design is having me do an independant study construction project for next fall - I'll be making a 1760's Watteu-back gown. But for a summer project, I'm supposed to make foundation garments for such a dress, and this is where I'm somewhat lost. I'm more familliar with Victorian corsetry than Elizabethan, and more familliar with Elizabethan than Rococo... Basically, I have *No* clue where to start with this one. So here I am, asking for help and suggestions. :) Can anyone reccomend a good pattern for me? Should I be looking for something boned, or one of the cord or reed stuffed stays? Does anyone have any tips or suggestions on construction, materials, etc? I've got a yard of 60" natural-colored cotton duck all happily pre-shrunk and waiting for me, but I'm not sure if that's a suitable substitute for coutil. Can anyone advise me? Thanks! -Laura h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume danielle nunn-weinberg [24,55]CSuX: class reminder Subject: Re: [h-cost] Class Reminder From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:45:15 -0500 Thank you! It's a period I've always wanted to do. I will have to get started on stays & panniers this summer. Cheers, Danielle At 08:30 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Danielle, > >Janice wants to re-run the series so people can have a sackback gown for the >Halloween season if they wish. The stays class will begin Aug. 26 and is >four weeks long. The sackback gown (Robe à la Française) will begin Sept. >24 and is five weeks long. These dates are on the schedule now for >registration. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume danielle nunn-weinberg [30,56]CSuX: looking for helleu prints Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for Helleu prints From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:46:38 -0500 Thank you so much! His work is gorgeous and someday I would love to own one of his prints... Cheers, Danielle At 09:30 AM 5/31/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Danielle - I looked in the Library of Congress catalog and there are 5 >entries but they are all old. Neither my university library or city library >has any of them but here's the information in case it helps at all... > >Coordinating council of French relief societies inc. New York. and G. d. >Batz (1943). Helleu & Sargent drawings. New York City. > >Helleu, P. (1907). A gallery of portraits : reproduced from original >etchings. London, Edward Arnold. > >Montesquiou-Fâezensac, R. (1913). Paul Helleu, peintre et graveur. Paris,, >H. Floury. > >Paris. Bibliotháeque nationale., J. Vallery-Radot, et al. (1955). Helleu; >exposition. Paris,. > >Wedmore, F., B. Rogers, et al. (1901). Dry-points by Paul Helleu. New York, >Frederick Keppel & Co. h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume audrey bergeron-morin [17,57]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:11:12 -0400 > No hats! How awful for you. > > I have a whole room filled with hats. I never leave the house without > one. I have vintage hats, modern hats, period reconstruction hats. I > *love* hats! (That's why some people have called me "Hat Kat" to > distinguish me from all the other Kat's around.) I understand perfectly.. I love hats, but I've just started wearing some, and it takes some time getting used to it, finding the right ones for my shape of head, etc. I think it's one of the saddest things that happend to fashion in the last years, that people don't wear hats anymore... h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume melanie schuessler [27,58]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:19:55 -0500 Kala Jathos wrote: > > But for a summer project, I'm supposed to make > foundation garments for such a dress, and this is where I'm somewhat lost. <...> > Can anyone reccomend a good pattern for me? Should I be looking for > something boned, or one of the cord or reed stuffed stays? You could ILL a copy of Norah Waugh's _Corsets and Crinolines_. It has gridded patterns taken (I believe) from actual corsets as well as information on how they were worn and what they were made of. The mid-18th century one is quite nice--I've made it myself. I believe it was originally boned with whalebone. (I wish I could look it up, but the books are all still packed from my recent move.) The archives of this list have several messages on the pros and cons of modern synthetic whalebone. To scale up gridded patterns, use radial projection. If you aren't familiar with the technique, there should also be a message from me in the archive describing it. If you need it and can't find it, email me privately and I'll give you a synopsis. Best of luck, Melanie Schuessler h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume chris laning [31,59]CSuX: bag hats & stocking caps Subject: [h-cost] Bag Hats & Stocking Caps From: Chris Laning Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:50:06 -0700 I'm wondering if anyone can point me to pictures (hopefully online) of people wearing a particular type of soft hat between about 1350 and 1600. Basically, it's a hat constructed like a pouch, only upside down -- a cylinder, open at the bottom and closed by a straight seam across the top. The top can flop, or be arranged, in a number of different ways -- just flopped over to one side, tuck the corners in for a rounded effect, leave them loose, wear it with the seam crosswise on the head or front-to-back, or even with the two corners tied or sewn together to make a sort of pointed top. Variations include a tapered cylinder and the so-called "stocking cap" where the taper continues till the hat comes to a point. The reason I'm asking (hat in hand???) is that I am actually doing that dreadful, shameful thing , retro-documentation. I have these vague feelings that I've seen such hats somewhere, they seem to me like a logical type of simple hat to construct, and I'm hoping that this _is_ something people actually did. (Of course, since I'm trying to be a scholar, negative evidence would also be of interest.) TIA, -- O Chris Laning | + Davis, California h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume m311@aol.com[18,60]CSuX: wearing white Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing White From: M311@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:59:59 EDT --part1_1aa.3373e70.2a2d953f_boundary Around here, central Illinois, the rule is no white before Easter. Easter Sunday starts the wearing of white and then it is supposed to end on Labor Day. It is followed around here by lots of people still. Kelly --part1_1aa.3373e70.2a2d953f_boundary Around here, central Illinois, the rule is no white before Easter.  Easter Sunday starts the wearing of white and then it is supposed to end on Labor Day.  It is followed around here by lots of people still.
Kelly
 --part1_1aa.3373e70.2a2d953f_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume m311@aol.com[32,61]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gloves and hat etiquette From: M311@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:08:22 EDT --part1_a2.267e7e61.2a2d9736_boundary In a message dated 6/3/2002 12:20:15 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > That's why in some cultures today (such as the Amish and > Mennonite) women of a responsible age wear hats. Not all Mennonite women where headcoverings. It depends on the denomenation. I attend the Evangelical Mennonite Church and our Church doesn't wear headcoverings. There is one lady in the Church who likes to wear hats to Church but the are just regular dress hats. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_a2.267e7e61.2a2d9736_boundary In a message dated 6/3/2002 12:20:15 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


That's why in some cultures today (such as the Amish and
Mennonite) women of a responsible age wear hats.


Not all Mennonite women where headcoverings.  It depends on the denomenation.  I attend the Evangelical Mennonite Church and our Church doesn't wear headcoverings.  There is one lady in the Church who likes to wear hats to Church but the are just regular dress hats.
Kelly
m311@aol.com --part1_a2.267e7e61.2a2d9736_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[17,62]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:38:59 -0700 > << some people have called me "Hat Kat" >> > But not "Kat in the Hat"? Oddly enough, no. But then my husband is *very* large and *very* protective. ;) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[38,63]CSuX: mennonite clothing, was: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mennonite clothing, was: Gloves and hat etiquette From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:56:52 -0700 > > That's why in some cultures today (such as the Amish and > > Mennonite) women of a responsible age wear hats. > > Not all Mennonite women where headcoverings. It depends on the > denomenation. > I attend the Evangelical Mennonite Church and our Church doesn't wear > > headcoverings. There is one lady in the Church who likes to wear hats > to Church but the are just regular dress hats. Kelly m311@aol.com I spent some time this weekend with some Mennonite ladies. One of the things they say is that you can tell which branch of the church they are by looking at what they wear. The more strict, the more the hair is covered. The ladies I was with mostly wore little doily like things although one had a transparent linen box like hat over her bun. (And she won't reveal the catalog where she gets them either!) The older ladies had their hair completely covered. (Although one of the older ladies was in one of the more strict branches.) They say that you can also tell by looking at the color of their clothing, whether they wear a specific dress pattern and whether they can wear things like Reebocs. It must be something like the differences between the different ways that Jews (such as Orthodox vs Reformed) dress. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume anne moeller [105,64]CSuX: hat help Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help From: "Anne Moeller" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:28:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20B67.22D1B160 I would LOVE to have more info about this product. Thanks, Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of MzScahlett@aol.com In a message dated 6/2/2002 12:50:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes: I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is that stuff to be found? (my $.02) Betsy Wonderflex can be purchased in sheets from Richard the Thread (don't have number handy?) or Dazian 1-877-432-9426. I can find out about thermoplastic if anyone wishes. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." W. Shakespeare ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20B67.22D1B160 Message
I=20 would LOVE to have more info about this product.  Thanks,=20 Anne
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In a message=20 dated 6/2/2002 12:50:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, = betsy@softwareinnovation.com=20 writes:


I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is = that stuff=20 to be found?
(my $.02) Betsy


Wonderflex can = be=20 purchased in sheets from Richard the Thread (don't have number handy?) = or=20 Dazian 1-877-432-9426.  I can find out about thermoplastic if = anyone=20 wishes.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
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"If we=20 shadows have offended, think but this,
and all is mended,
That = you have=20 but slumbered here,
while these visions did appear."
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20B67.22D1B160-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume rebecca anderson [7,65]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Rebecca Anderson" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:07:34 +0930

Have you ever seen the kids book "I like hats"
Rebecca
 
h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume gail & scott finke [21,66]CSuX: hats Subject: [h-cost] Re: hats From: Gail & Scott Finke Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:23:33 -0400 on 6/4/02 12:51 AM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > >> Catholic women do not remove their hat. > > > What, *never*?!? > > Emma > Well . . . HARDLY ever. Gail Finke h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kevin & mara riley [11,67]CSuX: wool crepe - date of use? Subject: [h-cost] Wool Crepe - date of use? From: Kevin & Mara Riley Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:36:38 -0400 (EDT) At what date did people start wearing wool crepe? I think it's 19th century, but am not quite sure. Thanks, Mara h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume gail & scott finke [28,68]CSuX: mennonites Subject: [h-cost] Re: mennonites From: Gail & Scott Finke Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:31:10 -0400 I went to a Mennonite charity auction last year in New Bremen Ohio. It's an annual event and people come from all over to buy things. The money goes to missions in Haiti. Anyway, there is a big difference between the way different branches of Mennonites dress, and it was fun to see them all in one place. Most of the women looked so pretty, I felt downright ugly in shorts and a t-shirt. Some of them wore only plain colors (the Amish, of course -- although there are several varieties of Amish), some wore small prints. Some wore only particular patterns of dress, and others wore what you might call "modest" but otherwise mainstream dress. I saw lots of different hair styles and hats, too. Most of the items were big-ticket things like quilts and furniture, but I did get a shoe-fly pie, so I was happy!!! It's a molasses pie, vaguely like gingerbread and vaguely like pecan pie without the pecans, for those unfortunate enough not to have tried it. It's Amish/Pennsylvania Dutch, and I don't get it often now that I live in Ohio. Gail Finke h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume melanie schuessler [19,69]CSuX: finding feathers? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finding feathers? From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:17:38 -0500 Liz / Cozit wrote: > > Does anyone know where I might be able to obtain relatively plain (but not tiny) feathers? Like duck or goose? > > Either over the web, or anywhere between the Philadelphia and DC areas? Go here: http://www.rainbowfeatherco.com/index.html Click on "feathers" to see pictures of different kinds of feathers. You can get small packets of feathers of any type for $1.25 (click on "packages"). I assume you can pick the color, but I'm not sure what colors are available. Happy shopping! Melanie Schuessler h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume albertcat@aol.com[66,70]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: AlbertCat@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:46:08 EDT --part1_72.1d556bb4.2a2e2cb0_boundary There's a quite useful 1770s corset pattern in Nora Waugh's "Corset & Crinolines". Yes, it's actually 10 years into the future for your project but the pattern is so basic I think it's perfectly suitable for 1760s. It is an easy pattern to understand and fool around with. IOW....it's a great start. Make up a mock up in muslin, "half boned" [as opposed to solidly boned....the pattern in the book is "half boned"]. Finish up the backs and put in grommets so you can lace it up but give yourself 2" seam allowances at the sides and CF. Tack it together with the seam allowances on the outside, put it on someone and start adjusting to see what results you get. Try not to fool with the back....keep it narrow. The corset should bring the shoulder blades closer together, bowing out the front. You'll note some horizontal bones in the pattern. Ignore them for the body of the corset but make them their own little casement that you can tack to the inside later if you want. All this will help you understand what the corset is trying to do. This is how we did it in school. After you're confident and you got things looking the way you want, then make it up in you real fabric. Jean or twill is good but so is linen and cotton. You can use a fancy chintz as an outer fabric if you want a pretty corset. We boned the fronts with steel boning and the backs and tabs with Riglene. Binding the tabs at the bottom can be a bitch [do it before it's boned] If you're gonna make a real fancy gown, solidly bone the corset. Jean Hunnisett's 1st volume of "Period Costumes for Stage and Screen" has a more complicated corset but it also has instructions and tips for making up and fitting. You may want to check it out since you are doing costumes. And please....don't use the term "Watteau gown". I HATE that. Watteau painted many types of gowns and a lot are fantasy clothes. The gowns he indeed paints a lot of, with the flowing pleats at the back, is properly referred to as a robe a la Francaise or a sack gown....as opposed to a robe a l'Anglaise, where the pleats are sewn down to the lining. Have fun! --part1_72.1d556bb4.2a2e2cb0_boundary There's a quite useful 1770s corset pattern in Nora Waugh's "Corset & Crinolines". Yes, it's actually 10 years into the future for your project but the pattern is so basic I think it's perfectly suitable for 1760s. It is an easy pattern to understand and fool around with. IOW....it's a great start. Make up a mock up in muslin, "half boned" [as opposed to solidly boned....the pattern in the book is "half boned"]. Finish up the backs and put in grommets so you can lace it up but give yourself 2" seam allowances at the sides and CF. Tack it together with the seam allowances on the outside, put it on someone and start adjusting to see what results you get. Try not to fool with the back....keep it narrow. The corset should bring the shoulder blades closer together, bowing out the front.

You'll note some horizontal bones in the pattern. Ignore them for the body of the corset but make them their own little casement that you can tack to the inside later if you want.

All this will help you understand what the corset is trying to do.

This is how we did it in school.

After you're confident and you got things looking the way you want, then make it up in you real fabric. Jean or twill is good but so is linen and cotton. You can use a fancy chintz as an outer fabric if you want a pretty corset. We boned the fronts with steel boning and the backs and tabs with Riglene. Binding the tabs at the bottom can be a bitch [do it before it's boned]

If you're gonna make a real fancy gown, solidly bone the corset.

Jean Hunnisett's 1st volume of "Period Costumes for Stage and Screen" has a more complicated corset but it also has instructions and tips for making up and fitting. You may want to check it out since you are doing costumes.

And please....don't use the term "Watteau gown". I HATE that. Watteau painted many types of gowns and a lot are fantasy clothes. The gowns he indeed paints a lot of, with the flowing pleats at the back, is properly referred to as a robe a la Francaise or a sack gown....as opposed to a robe a l'Anglaise, where the pleats are sewn down to the lining.

Have fun! --part1_72.1d556bb4.2a2e2cb0_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kevin & mara riley [19,71]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: Kevin & Mara Riley Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:37:04 -0400 (EDT) I've gotten good results using Drea's Elizabethan Corset Pattern generator http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/custompat/ then modifying the results to make an 18th c. corset: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Stays/stays.htm I'm also working on a booklet that will describe this process in greater detail (with Drea's permission to use her corset drafting instructions). I'm hoping it'll be ready for publication in the next six months or sooner. Cheers, Mara h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume megan irvine [28,72]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: Megan Irvine Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) --- Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > I'm also working on a booklet that will describe this process in > greater > detail (with Drea's permission to use her corset drafting > instructions). > I'm hoping it'll be ready for publication in the next six months or > sooner. This would be wonderful! I haven't yet found a pattern for 18th c. corset that I really like, but I love Drea's corset pattern generation method. It would be great to see an adaptation of this for 18th c. mirv ===== Megan Irvine My Web log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com My eBay storefront: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns "No ship will ever take you away from yourself."--Constantine Cavafy Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume margo anderson [20,73]CSuX: costume interns Subject: [h-cost] Costume Interns From: Margo Anderson Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:07:46 -0700 My son's teacher has a teenage daughter who wants to go to fashion school, and who is interested in being an intern in my pattern business. Does anyone out there who has had an intern, or been one, have any advice for me? She understands that I can't pay her, and she'd be working for experience, and for a letter of recommendation to fashion school. I understand that three weeks of stuffing envelopes and picking up pins is not what she's interested in, and that I need to give her some interesting projects that will let her learn and have fun. Is there anything else I should keep in mind? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kevin & mara riley [22,74]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: Kevin & Mara Riley Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:54:04 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Megan Irvine wrote: > This would be wonderful! I haven't yet found a pattern for 18th c. > corset that I really like, but I love Drea's corset pattern > generation method. It would be great to see an adaptation of this for > 18th c. > > mirv Thanks! Well, I'm about halfway done with the text -- have the nuts and bolts down on paper, but need to go back and 'tweak' it. I sent it to a friend who is a 'newbie' at staymaking, and she pointed out a whole bunch of stuff that I forgot to include because it's so obvious to me . Will certainly send out an announcement when it _does_ go to press! Cheers, Mara h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume heather meadows [29,75]CSuX: costume interns Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Interns From: Heather Meadows Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:04:45 -0700 (PDT) yeah -- keep in mind that picking up pins and stuffing envelopes IS part of the job, too, and have her do that for the same percentage of time that you might be. :) .heather. > My son's teacher has a teenage daughter who wants to go to fashion school, > and who is interested in being an intern in my pattern business. Does > anyone out there who has had an intern, or been one, have any advice for me? > > She understands that I can't pay her, and she'd be working for experience, > and for a letter of recommendation to fashion school. I understand that > three weeks of stuffing envelopes and picking up pins is not what she's > interested in, and that I need to give her some interesting projects that > will let her learn and have fun. Is there anything else I should keep in > mind? > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume megan irvine [28,76]CSuX: slightly ot, non-period but still useful new choli pattern Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT, non-period but still useful new choli pattern From: Megan Irvine Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Sorry for the cross-posting, but I think people on both lists might be interested. I have finally printed my backlacing stretch choli pattern and it is available via my eBay store. I'm just so proud of myself. I tried to do a really professional job on this one. Here is a link to the front cover page of the pattern with all the details: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/choli-patt-frontpage.pdf Of course, this style is not "historical" but my eBay customers and belly dance classmates love this top for practice. I'm working on other styles too, with a focus on "stuff I haven't seen anywhere else." Maybe someday, I will have a pre-17th c. choli pattern that is based on historical fact, but I am still working on that. mirv, a.k.a. darkthreads ===== Megan Irvine My Web log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com My eBay storefront: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns "No ship will ever take you away from yourself."--Constantine Cavafy Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume mzscahlett@aol.com[90,77]CSuX: costume interns Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Interns From: MzScahlett@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:13:04 EDT --part1_69.2805a061.2a2e5d30_boundary Margo It sounds like you are on the right track. When using volunteer interns at the theatre, I try to come up with projects that they will find interesting, but which actually need doing rather than busy work that is unproductive to me. I've found a nice hybrid of garment finishing (I guess that would equate to envelope stuffing, as it is the finishing touch of a project) and minimal construction of designs where the intern/volunteer can add some design elements (their own touch, so to speak) work well for keeping interest. Hands on experience is invaluable, and an excellent way for this young woman to get started. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 6/4/2002 10:52:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, margo@margospatterns.com writes: > My son's teacher has a teenage daughter who wants to go to fashion school, > and who is interested in being an intern in my pattern business. Does > anyone out there who has had an intern, or been one, have any advice for > me? > > She understands that I can't pay her, and she'd be working for experience, > and for a letter of recommendation to fashion school. I understand that > three weeks of stuffing envelopes and picking up pins is not what she's > interested in, and that I need to give her some interesting projects that > will let her learn and have fun. Is there anything else I should keep in > mind? > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > --part1_69.2805a061.2a2e5d30_boundary Margo

It sounds like you are on the right track.  When using volunteer interns at the theatre, I try to come up with projects that they will find interesting, but which actually need doing rather than busy work that is unproductive to me.  I've found a nice hybrid of garment finishing (I guess that would equate to envelope stuffing, as it is the finishing touch of a project) and minimal construction of designs where the intern/volunteer can add some design elements (their own touch, so to speak) work well for keeping interest.  Hands on experience is invaluable, and an excellent way for this young woman to get started.

angela
+++++
Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"All the world's a stage,
and all the men and women merely players.
They have their exits and their entrances;
and one man in his time plays many parts."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 6/4/2002 10:52:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, margo@margospatterns.com writes:


My son's teacher has a teenage daughter who wants to go to fashion school,
and who is interested in being an intern in my pattern business. Does
anyone out there who has had an intern, or been one, have any advice for me?

She understands that I can't pay her, and she'd be working for experience,
and for a letter of recommendation to fashion school. I understand that
three weeks of stuffing envelopes and picking up pins is not what she's
interested in, and that I need to give her some interesting projects that
will let her learn and have fun.  Is there anything else I should keep in
mind?

Margo
"One Tough Costumer"



 --part1_69.2805a061.2a2e5d30_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume mzscahlett@aol.com[116,78]CSuX: thermoplastic/wonderflex Subject: Re: [h-cost] thermoplastic/Wonderflex From: MzScahlett@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:15:12 EDT --part1_191.7d79316.2a2e5db0_boundary Which one? Wonderflex or Thermoplastic. I haven't yet called the store to price it out, but I've seen it and worked with it's little brother Friendly Plastic for years. How can I help? angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 6/3/2002 10:21:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ladyanne@quik.com writes: > I would LOVE to have more info about this product. Thanks, Anne > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of MzScahlett@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:12 PM >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help >> >> >> In a message dated 6/2/2002 12:50:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes: >> >> >> >>> I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is that stuff to be >>> found? >>> (my $.02) Betsy >> >> Wonderflex can be purchased in sheets from Richard the Thread (don't have >> number handy?) or Dazian 1-877-432-9426. I can find out about >> thermoplastic if anyone wishes. >> >> angela >> +++++ >> Angela F. Lazear >> Cabbage Rose Costumes >> Theatrical Costume Design >> www.cabbagerosecostumes.com >> "If we shadows have offended, think but this, >> and all is mended, >> That you have but slumbered here, >> while these visions did appear." >> W. Shakespeare > > > > --part1_191.7d79316.2a2e5db0_boundary Which one? Wonderflex or Thermoplastic. I haven't yet called the store to price it out, but I've seen it and worked with it's little brother Friendly Plastic for years.  How can I help?

angela
+++++
Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"If we shadows have offended, think but this,
and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here,
while these visions did appear."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 6/3/2002 10:21:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ladyanne@quik.com writes:


I would LOVE to have more info about this product.  Thanks, Anne


-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of MzScahlett@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:12 PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] hat help


In a message dated 6/2/2002 12:50:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, betsy@softwareinnovation.com writes:


I like the heat-settable suggestion though, where is that stuff to be found?
(my $.02) Betsy


Wonderflex can be purchased in sheets from Richard the Thread (don't have number handy?) or Dazian 1-877-432-9426.  I can find out about thermoplastic if anyone wishes.

angela
+++++
Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"If we shadows have offended, think but this,
and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here,
while these visions did appear."
W. Shakespeare



--part1_191.7d79316.2a2e5db0_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume carolyn kayta barrows [42,79]CSuX: 1760 s corset help? Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1760's Corset help? From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:21:29 -0700 >There's a quite useful 1770s corset pattern in Nora Waugh's "Corset & >Crinolines". Yes, it's actually 10 years into the future for your project >but the pattern is so basic I think it's perfectly suitable for 1760s. It >is an easy pattern to understand and fool around with. IOW....it's a great >start. Make up a mock up in muslin, "half boned" [as opposed to solidly >boned....the pattern in the book is "half boned"]. Finish up the backs and >put in grommets so you can lace it up but give yourself 2" seam allowances >at the sides and CF. Tack it together with the seam allowances on the >outside, put it on someone and start adjusting to see what results you >get. Try not to fool with the back....keep it narrow. The corset should >bring the shoulder blades closer together, bowing out the front. > >You'll note some horizontal bones in the pattern. Ignore them for the body >of the corset but make them their own little casement that you can tack to >the inside later if you want. Yes Nora Waugh. I made this one, and don't omit the horizontal bones - they're necessary. And please....don't use the term "Watteau gown". I HATE that. 'Watteau gown' or 'Watteau pleats' are terms from the late 1800's-early 1900's, and are correct to that period, but only to that period. In Watteau's time these gowns were, indeed, called 'sack back' or 'robe a la Francaise'. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume penny ladnier [17,80]CSuX: costume interns Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Interns From: "Penny Ladnier" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:54:10 -0400 Margo, Write Jennie Chancey. She has an intern right now learning pattern drafting. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume jennie chancey [30,81]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: "Jennie Chancey" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:13:52 -0300 Can't resist a hat thread.... I have a whole closet filled to the brim (pun intended!) with hats of all styles. I collect vintage hats and vintage-esque modern hats. I wear a hat almost every time I go out of the house. It is not just a fashion statement, either. It is a real necessity down here in South Alabama with the blazing sun and extreme temperatures. Hats are a blessing! I have very fair skin and burn easily, so I really do need 'em. I love the broad-brimmed ones especially and have had a lot of success finding them of late. My husband and I also both like to "dress" when traveling by airplane or train. He wears a three-piece (very 1930s-looking) suit with hat, and I always wear a hat and gloves. People turn to stare open-mouthed sometimes as we walk by. I guess in the old days it was taken for granted that you dressed to travel, but today we must look a bit like a costume show in transit. LOL! But it sure is fun, and we love the treatment we get from others -- they are invariably super-polite and extra-quick to help me with baggage or whatever. What fun! Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume azelana@aol.com[12,82]CSuX: another virus?? Subject: [h-cost] Another virus?? From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:15:54 EDT Hey guys, I got an e-mail that said "h-costume digest, Vol 1 #972 - 11 msgs" and the sender addy was the usual, but it had an attachment. Since the list normally does not have attachments, I deleted it rather than open it. Anybody know if that was a virus or some new coding weirdness from the list server? --Gillian h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume elizabeth lear [9,83]CSuX: another virus?? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another virus?? From: Elizabeth Lear Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:35:26 -0600 You're correct - the list doesn't do attachments, so delete before reading it! ...eliz h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume robin netherton [35,84]CSuX: another virus?? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another virus?? From: Robin Netherton Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:54:56 -0500 (CDT) On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > I got an e-mail that said "h-costume digest, Vol 1 #972 - 11 msgs" and > the sender addy was the usual, but it had an attachment. Since the > list normally does not have attachments, I deleted it rather than open > it. Anybody know if that was a virus or some new coding weirdness > from the list server? Sounds like Klez. It grabs both a recipient name and a sender's name from an infected computer's addressbook, so when it sends itself, the message looks as though it came from another source. That makes it hard to track down the infected computer, because that person's name doesn't show up as sender. The innocent party listed as sender gets the blame instead. Another list I'm on has had this problem -- a listmember who has the list name in his addressbook has gotten infected, and the virus has been using the list name as the fake sender on virus mailings. So, this means someone who has h-cost *and* you in his/her addressbook is infected. Anyone reading this who has both the list address and Azelana's in their addressbook should do a virus scan with updated software. (A few weeks ago I got an annoyed mailing from someone complaining about my sending them a virus. I use UNIX, so it didn't come from me! It came from someone who had both my name and hers in his/her addressbook.) --Robin h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume albertcat@aol.com[25,85]CSuX: now....what s that stuff called again? Subject: [h-cost] Now....what's that stuff called again? From: AlbertCat@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:42:11 EDT --part1_95.1d76a744.2a2eb863_boundary Greetings, Y'know those beautiful scarves and stoles popular in the 1920s made of a cotton net with flat silver [as in real silver] tape worked into it in geometric patterns. I comes from the Middle East...Egypt I think. Makes a very glittery, sheer but very heavy stole..... Anyway, what is that stuff called? I cannot remember for the life of me! Something that begins with an "A". Asiut? Asuite? Someone help my feeble brain! --part1_95.1d76a744.2a2eb863_boundary Greetings,

Y'know those beautiful scarves and stoles popular in the 1920s made of a cotton net with flat silver [as in real silver] tape worked into it in geometric patterns. I comes from the Middle East...Egypt I think. Makes a very glittery, sheer but very heavy stole.....

Anyway, what is that stuff called? I cannot remember for the life of me! Something that begins with an "A". Asiut? Asuite? Someone help my feeble brain! --part1_95.1d76a744.2a2eb863_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume mzscahlett@aol.com[61,86]CSuX: now....what s that stuff called again? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now....what's that stuff called again? From: MzScahlett@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:06:18 EDT --part1_1a1.3438e50.2a2ebe0a_boundary In a message dated 6/4/2002 5:43:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > Greetings, > > Y'know those beautiful scarves and stoles popular in the 1920s made of a > cotton net with flat silver [as in real silver] tape worked into it in > geometric patterns. I comes from the Middle East...Egypt I think. Makes a > very glittery, sheer but very heavy stole..... > > Anyway, what is that stuff called? I cannot remember for the life of me! > Something that begins with an "A". Asiut? Asuite? Someone help my feeble > brain! Yes, that's what it's called. Spelling varies. Assuit is the one I've seen most. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "See! How she leans her cheek upon her hand, O! That I were a glove upon that hand, That I might touch that cheek." Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare --part1_1a1.3438e50.2a2ebe0a_boundary In a message dated 6/4/2002 5:43:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:


Greetings,

Y'know those beautiful scarves and stoles popular in the 1920s made of a cotton net with flat silver [as in real silver] tape worked into it in geometric patterns. I comes from the Middle East...Egypt I think. Makes a very glittery, sheer but very heavy stole.....

Anyway, what is that stuff called? I cannot remember for the life of me! Something that begins with an "A". Asiut? Asuite? Someone help my feeble brain!


Yes, that's what it's called. Spelling varies. Assuit is the one I've seen most.

angela
+++++
Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
Theatrical Costume Design

"See! How she leans her cheek upon her hand,
O! That I were a glove upon that hand,
That I might touch that cheek."
Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare
 --part1_1a1.3438e50.2a2ebe0a_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume shalazar [38,87]CSuX: now....what s that stuff called again? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now....what's that stuff called again? From: Shalazar Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:30:38 -0700 It's called assuit. if you want to see a really good example of it go to http://www.hahbiru.com/john_and_ritah.html ( my favourite drooling site for this stuff) There is also good information at http://liquidsilverdesigns.com/ It is not actually real silver though many people think it is. its just base metal. It makes wonderful dresses for dancing in. I have several pieces which were brought back from the Boer War . If the patterns are all geometric it was meant for domestic use,. But if it has animal or humam depictions mnixed in, it was intended for the 'foreign market' -- "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." ` -Haile Selassie h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume deltaylor@aol.com[29,88]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: DELTAYLOR@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:35:05 EDT --part1_158.ed915f4.2a2ed2d9_boundary In a message dated 6/3/2002 11:12:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes: > I understand perfectly. I love hats, but I've just started wearing some, > Hooray for Hats! I started wearing hats again at Church and enjoy them very much. I like the vintage ones but I haven't worn the light peach (orange) with the green ribbon trim one yet. Dianne in Dunlap --part1_158.ed915f4.2a2ed2d9_boundary In a message dated 6/3/2002 11:12:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, audreybmorin2@hotmail.com writes:


I understand perfectly. I love hats, but I've just started wearing some,


Hooray for Hats!  I started wearing hats again at Church and enjoy them very much.  I like the vintage ones but I haven't worn the light peach (orange) with the green ribbon trim one yet.
Dianne in Dunlap --part1_158.ed915f4.2a2ed2d9_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume judy mitchell [12,89]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: Judy Mitchell Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:13:42 -0400 No one's yet mentioned that along with the dates for wearing white, it also goes along with hatwear: felt hats and straw hats (at least for men). I think there's even a "felt hat day" for when you put away your straw hats at the end of summer and re-don your felt hats (or is it the other way around?). -Judy Mitchell h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume anne moeller [49,90]CSuX: thermoplastic/wonderflex Subject: RE: [h-cost] thermoplastic/Wonderflex From: "Anne Moeller" Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 00:11:51 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20C25.98B7C9A0 Oh dear, I am not sure what the difference is. I thought they were basically the same stuff with different names. I know the principle behind Friendly Plastic but have never used it. Which would be best for head dresses? Thanks, Anne ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20C25.98B7C9A0 Message
Oh=20 dear, I am not sure what the difference is.  I thought they were = basically=20 the same stuff with different names.  I know the principle behind = Friendly=20 Plastic but have never used it.  Which would be best for head=20 dresses?  Thanks, Anne
3D"Compu-Zoo
 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20C25.98B7C9A0-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume jennie chancey [25,91]CSuX: my intern, etc. Subject: [h-cost] My intern, etc. From: "Jennie Chancey" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:09:59 -0300 I had to chuckle that this actually came up as a side topic on the list! I had no idea anyone really knew I was teaching an intern right now. I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone might have off-list. Just drop me a line. This is my "guinea pig" intern, since I've never had anyone actually come and stay with me for six weeks to study pattern drafting and costuming techniques. It has been a blast, and I'd highly recommend it! By the way, my current intern has a Regency ballgown she made while here up on eBay. If you'd like to see it, just go to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1738391802 (if you can't get the URL to work, it's listed under my username, which is "chanceys"). She did a fantastic job (boast, boast....). Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume david s. mallinak [21,92]CSuX: assistance in a search Subject: [h-cost] Assistance in A Search From: "David S. Mallinak" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:27:37 -0700 leigh I have a favor to ask. I was packing for an event last week and could not find my ammo box (a dark green military ammunition box that I keep powder in at events). I have since then searched high and low in my house and car and still cannot find it. The last time I definatily know I it was at New Sweden. Would you please be so kind, the next time you are at or near the New Sweden Farmstead, to a absent-minded professor type (me) and look in the hay barn under the stairs to the loft and see if I was so absent-minded as to leave it there. Please let me know if you find or do not find the box. Let me aploagize for any inconvinence this request my cause you or Mike. Please let me know if you find the ammo box. Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kate m bunting [11,93]CSuX: american patriotic holidays Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays From: "Kate M Bunting" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:59:32 +0100 (Catching up on mail after our extra long public holiday for the Queen's Golden Jubilee...) Thanks for all the replies on this topic. I must have misunderstood the sense of Penny's original posting (about wearing white). I thought Memorial Day must be an equivalent of our Remembrance Day because of the speeches made by Mr.Bush on his recent overseas tour. Actually it isn't a public holiday in the UK; ceremonies honouring the war dead take place on the nearest Sunday to Nov, 11th, though in recent years there has been a return to the custom of observing a minute's silence at 11 a.m. on the 11th itself. The poppies are one of those weeds that tend to come up on disturbed ground - they were a common sight in corn- (i.e. wheat) fields before herbicides - and so they grew around the trenches in WW1. Costume sidelight - the plot of one of Dorothy Sayers' detective novels hinges on the fact that in the '20s people didn't wear their poppies until Armistice Day itself, whereas nowadays we pin them on as soon as we buy them, any time from the beginning of November. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume teddy [44,94]CSuX: getting recognized (was: lurking) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting recognized (WAS: Lurking) From: Teddy Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:43:49 +0000 (GMT) Cin wrote: > > The Spy's Guidebook doesn't tell > > you about "hiding in plain sight" and being so obvious no-one would > > suspect you. > > Teddy, I'm pretty sure George Smiley wears gray, not orange. I'm sure > it's in the book under "innocuous". > > (1) ref. "Smiley's People", "The Honorable Schoolboy", and all those > other books by John LeCarré. The Spy's guidebook doesn't cover that at all... I memorised it from cover to cover when I was eleven adn i don;t think the current edition (which I just gave to my godson for his sixth birthday) has included it either. Margo Anderson wrote: > Yes, I've had this happen, too. At the Renn Faire we recently > produced, one of the booth people needed scissors for something, > and was told to go look for Margo Anderson. Two other people nearby > exclaimed, "You mean THE Margo Anderson is here?" > > I call this condition being a "microcelebrity". Danielle, Teddy, > and I, among others, enjoy international fame (or is it > notoriety?) due to this list and others like it, but the actual > number of people who know of us is probably a few thousand or less. > Ah, well, if I'd wanted fame on a big scale I'd have stuck to my > teenage goal of being a rock star. I'm glad to have a name to put to it. It can be very nice - it's great to build up a wide-ranging network of contacts and friends through being known on lists like this and through other activities. Anyone else on the list had this happen? Teddy h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume jadran kale [12,95]CSuX: news: sumptuary laws alive... Subject: [h-cost] news: sumptuary laws alive... From: Jadran Kale Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:55:38 +0200 ... in Bhutan: "Traditional Bhutanese costume, the Gho for men and the Kira for women, is compulsory. Those who wear anything else face a £2 ($3.30) fine, which amounts to three days' wages." http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/low/english/country_profile/newsid_54000/54627.stm h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume teddy [22,96]CSuX: buttoning direction Subject: Re: [h-cost] buttoning direction From: Teddy Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:18:48 +0000 (GMT) > Do those of you who wear left- and right-buttoned shirts have any > preference? Is it really any easier to do one over the other with > your dominant (or free) hand? Yes, it is confusing if you're > accustomed to one and suddenly have to deal with the other, but > that's just a question of habit. > > Does handedness really matter? I have no problem with either way around... my cousin, on th eother hand, has an awful time adapting when she wears mens shirts. A few yearsa go the only reasonably priced plain-white cotton shirts we could find for her to wear to work were mens ones and, since she has specific clothes that she wears only for work (because she can't bear tro wear anything she *likes* for something as terrible as Work) we got them out of desperation. Teddy h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume jane williams [23,97]CSuX: getting recognized (was: lurking) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Getting recognized (WAS: Lurking) From: Jane Williams Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:06:00 BST Teddy wrote : > > I call this condition being a "microcelebrity". Danielle, Teddy, > > and I, among others, enjoy international fame (or is it > > notoriety?) due to this list and others like it, but the actual > > number of people who know of us is probably a few thousand or less. > I'm glad to have a name to put to it. > > It can be very nice - it's great to build up a wide-ranging network of > contacts and friends through being known on lists like this and > through other activities. > > Anyone else on the list had this happen? In a totally different context, yes. I used to be very active in fantasy roleplaying: the Gloranthan universe in particular. Chatted on the lists, had articles published in fanzines, that sort of thing. Then I went to my first ever rolelaying convention, all shy and ready to hide in corners, to be met with people asking if I'm "the" Jane Williams, people wanting my autograph on things I'd written, and people asking me to appear on panels. Eek! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume albertcat@aol.com[34,98]CSuX: now....what s that stuff called again? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now....what's that stuff called again? From: AlbertCat@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:06:58 EDT --part1_124.11bd400d.2a2f66f2_boundary In a message dated 6/4/2002 10:12:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shalazar@shaw.ca writes: > http://www.hahbiru.com/john_and_ritah.html ( my favourite drooling > site for this stuff) > Are you drooling over the assuit work....or John? The other site was great. Fascinating. I just found a white stole of this stuff in the bottom of a box I haven't opened since I moved 8 years ago. It's actually a box that belonged to my old roommate, who died 9 years ago. So I guess it's mine now! --part1_124.11bd400d.2a2f66f2_boundary In a message dated 6/4/2002 10:12:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shalazar@shaw.ca writes:


http://www.hahbiru.com/john_and_ritah.html  ( my favourite drooling
site for this stuff)


Are you drooling over the assuit work....or John?

The other site was great. Fascinating. I just found a white stole of this stuff in the bottom of a box I haven't opened since I moved 8 years ago. It's actually a box that belonged to my old roommate, who died 9 years ago. So I guess it's mine now! --part1_124.11bd400d.2a2f66f2_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume shalazar [33,99]CSuX: now....what s that stuff called again? Subject: Re: [h-cost] Now....what's that stuff called again? From: Shalazar Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:00:22 -0700 Both.. (grin) He is a thoroughly nice person, and he is aging very well too!! Those are his own eyes not contacts... But given the chose I will take the assuit he's wearing. Better yet the stuff he wore up here in Vancouver it was completely covered with metal. Take care of the piece you found its worth big bucks especially if its older with the fine mesh and in good condition. Bit of trivia .... Arnie wore assuit in Conan. -- "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams (1952-2001) English novelist "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." ` -Haile Selassie h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume lalahtt@aol.com[29,100]CSuX: news: sumptuary laws alive... Subject: Re: [h-cost] news: sumptuary laws alive... From: LalahTT@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:48:35 EDT --part1_1a6.33e6250.2a2f7ec3_boundary The really sad part is that their location makes them likely to be wiped out if India and Pakistan get in a nuclear war. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_1a6.33e6250.2a2f7ec3_boundary      The really sad part is that their location makes them likely to be wiped out if India and Pakistan get in a nuclear war.

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--part1_1a6.33e6250.2a2f7ec3_boundary-- h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume barbara wolff [22,101]CSuX: gloves and hat etiquette Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gloves and hat etiquette From: Barbara Wolff Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:05:54 -0600 Greetings from a lurker-fan! To broaden this trend a tad, does anyone out there know the "rules" of late 19th-C. "morning-afternoon-evening" wear? I'm prompted to ask because a neighboring town (Columbus, Wis.) is having a huge classic carriage event this weekend, complete w/authentic costumes. There will be period events (the centerpiece will be a picnic), and participants are graded heavily on wearing the proper garb. Time of day seems to be a special factor - the organizers don't seem to have a 'site I could tootle up, so any insight to feed my curiosity is greatly appreciated! Thank you, and cheers ~ Barbara in Madison, Wis. -- Barbara Wolff University Communications University of Wisconsin-Madison (608) 262-8292 bjwolff@facstaff.wisc.edu h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume kat@grendal.rain.com[28,102]CSuX: american patriotic holidays Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays From: kat@grendal.rain.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:29:42 -0700 > Actually it isn't a public holiday in the UK; > ceremonies honouring the war dead take place on the nearest Sunday to > Nov, 11th, though in recent years there has been a return to the > custom of observing a minute's silence at 11 a.m. on the 11th itself. > The poppies are one of those weeds that tend to come up on disturbed > ground - they were a common sight in corn- (i.e. wheat) fields before > herbicides - and so they grew around the trenches in WW1. That's around the time of our "Veteran's Day". Memorial day isn't strictly for war dead, but rather for *all* dead. When I was little, we'd go out to the cemetery and clean up our relatives graves on that day. Interesting about the poppies. That makes the sale of artificial poppies on Veteran's day (for money for charities) make much more sense. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ulrika a. o brien [56,103]CSuX: american patriotic holidays Subject: RE: [h-cost] American Patriotic Holidays From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:46:56 -0700 At 09:29 AM 6/5/2002, you wrote: > > Actually it isn't a public holiday in the UK; > > ceremonies honouring the war dead take place on the nearest Sunday to > > Nov, 11th, though in recent years the